Williams-Arias live streams tonight!

Tonight’s Jimmy Williams versus Luis Arias 10 rounder will be the featured attraction of the live streamed un dercard bouts for tonight’s Gervonta Davis versus Rolando Romero Pay-Per-View. The first bout starts at 7pm and will be streaming live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60HvEVQtcJU

Catch-up with Jimmy Williams in the final hours of training camp for this, his 29th bout as a pro.

Jimmy Williams battles Luis Arias on the Gervonta Davis versus Rolly Romero Pay-Per-View

By Alex Pierpaoli

“The older you get, you gotta be smart,” says West Haven, CT’s, Jimmy Williams.

“At this age, to fight at this weight, it feels good.” The 35 year old prizefighter steps through the ropes for the twenty-ninth time as a professional on Saturday night at the Barclay’s Center, in Brooklyn, NY. Williams battles Luis Arias, of Boca Raton, Florida, in a ten round junior middleweight bout (catchweight of 156lbs) to be aired live on YouTube as part of the Gervonta Davis-Rolando Romero Pay-Per-View undercard. Jimmy Williams, 18-7-2 (6), a thirty-five year old father of twin boys, hopes to rebound after two straight losses since a majority-decision win over Yuri Foreman in June of 2021.

“Beating Yuri Foreman put me back in this position. That was a big win for me,” Williams says. He fires a one-two at a heavy bag inside the Montanari Brother’s Powerhouse Gym in New Haven, CT where Williams first started training before debuting as a pro in January of 2013. “To be 35, to be in great shape, to be on this level, I’ve been blessed.”

This is Williams second time fighting on the undercard of a big pay-per-view. In July of twenty-nineteen, he lost to Abel Ramos on the off-tv undercard of Manny Pacquiao versus Keith Thurman. Tomorrow night Williams versus Arias will be the “Main Event” of the free undercard streaming live on YouTube before the Pay-Per-View broadcast begins at 9pm.

Luis Arias, a naturally heavier opponent, is 19-3-1 (9) as a professional and debuted just 3 months before Williams in November of twenty-twelve.

“He’s been on a losing streak too,” says Williams.

Arias has lost three of his last five bouts, most recently he dropped a split decision to Vaughn Alexander in December of last year. Two of those bouts include a 12 round decision loss to middleweight Daniel Jacobs in twenty-seventeen and a 12 round draw with perennial middleweight tough guy, Gabriel Rosado in twenty-eighteen. No doubt, Williams faces one of the largest opponents of his career. But, despite fighting much his career at or around welterweight, Williams feels stronger and revivified at junior middleweight.

“The style match-up is unbelievable,” he says. “At `56 I’m going to be a lot stronger.” Williams was already in training for a March 21st fight in Mexico against Carlos Molina when the opportunity to fight on the Davis-Romero Pay-Per-View came up. “He’s going to be bigger but he’s gotta make the weight too…The first three rounds he’s gonna look to take my head off. He’s gonna try to break me down…I’ve gotta keep my defense…use my legs a lot.” Williams knows Arias will try to walk him down and looks to fight smarter than he has in past bouts where he’s been willing to through caution to the wind.

“But I’ll get in the ring with anybody. I’m my own worst enemy,” he laughs. “But now that you live and you learn in your career, it’s not necessarily about the money. It’s my legacy. I got my son coming up. No matter what i’ve gotta make it home to him.” Williams waves a gloved hand in the direction of his 4 year old son and training partner for this camp, Austin James Williams.

“He’s been my motivation this camp,” Williams says. Austin, separated only by seven minutes from twin brother Logan, is the boy after his Dad’s fistic heart. He’s got a genuine love for the sport of boxing.

“At his age I was doing other stuff but he’s all into it(boxing).” Austin has joined his father throughout this training camp and even watches fights of Luis Arias to help Dad study his style. “We go home and watch Luis (Arias) until we fall asleep. We have fun watching it. We’ve watched Luis fight Danny Jacobs, Luke Keeler, Vaughn Alexander, and Gabriel Rosado.”

Manager Tommy Smalls, who’s been with Williams since the victory over Foreman, feels confident in his charge’s conditioning. “The guy is a consummate professional…That’s what you want, a person that’s gonna take this seriously.” Smalls describes boxing as the “hurt business” and no matter what will be with Williams every step of the way this Saturday night. “Jimmy Williams is more than just a boxer. He’s a man, he’s got a family.”

“I look at this like it’s God’s timing,” Williams says. “Whatever happens Saturday night I’m gonna give it my all.” Jimmy Williams shoots another jab at the heavy-bag, rolls left, cracks it with a left hook. He’s thinking about Luis Arias.

“He’s in a must-win situation. I’m in a must-win situation,” Williams grins. “It’s gonna be a helluva fight.”

Mike Guy stops Kendrick Ball : Twitter Recap

#CESHolidayBash

By Alex Pierpaoli

As is our tradition here, if we covered a fight live and tweeted details from ringside we like to post a recap later for any of you anti-social media types. Here is a chronological recounting of our live-tweets from ringside, made slightly more grammatical and a little bit less hashtaggie.
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Alex Pierpaoli @FistThingsFirst Ringside for @CESBoxing at the @MM_Center in Springfield, MA follow along over @KOFantasyBoxing #boxing

LIVE #Boxing from
@MM_Center
in Springfield, MA starts now! 194lbs 0-1 Rodrigo DeRocha vs. debuting 242 pound Tim Hatfield, 4 rounds, heavies

the shorter DeRocha is down from a flurry of shots, he’s claiming one strayed behind the head but he makes no effort to rise and is counted out at 1:23 of round number 1. Tim Hatfield is now 1-0 (1)

Up next, female welters, Stevie Jane Coleman 145lbs, of Columbia, CT versus Leann O’Malley 145lbs of Las Vegas, NV, 4 rounder
lots of straight shots from both women. Coleman’s shots are straighter and harder and more accurate. She wins round one.
almost zero body shots in the first but halfway through the second both women are making up for it now. O’Malley pressing but taking shots on the way in. 2-0 Coleman but the second was closer.
O’Malley smiling as she adjusts her trunks before the bell to start the third. she’s having fun in there.
Coleman looks a little tired but was still able to crack O’Malley with numerous straight rights to the chin. O’Malley really a gutsy, come-forward fighter, durable and aggressive.
Waiting on the scorecards… Coleman should take this one, probably 4-0 in rounds.
the judges see it 40-36 x 3, all in favor of Stevie Jane Coleman, now 2-1-1 #boxing O’Malley heads back to Nevada at 1-1

Next up, Darren Mima, 130lbs, of Poughkeepsie NY, versus Isiah Cruz, 130lbs, of Springfield, MA. 4 Rounds, super feathers #boxing
Cruz got credit for a knockdown in the 1st that locked a little more like a shove to this observer. Cruz got the better of the round by far. Mima spent much of it being driven back to the ropes.
Cruz let Mima lead in the second and it was the Springfield fighter letting the New Yorker bang at him while he looked to counter. It was somewhat effective. Cruz had the edge in shots landed for sure.
Mima may have stolen the third despite Cruz finally blasting his way off the ropes in the final 15 seconds of the round.
Wow, Cruz may have scored a last second TKO. The bell rang within a split second of the ref waving it off. Cruz landed a perfect left hook counter that crumpled Mima. He was allowed to continue and dropped again.
The official call is going to be a TKO at 2:58 of the 4th. I misspoke, Mima was reeling from an overhand right but he did not go down a second time. The ref waved it off. How he got up from the knockdown I have no idea. Wow! He got crumpled. Isiah Cruz now 2-0 (1) #boxing

Next up, Feathers, Jayron Santiago Lopez, of Bayamon, Puerto Rico vs. Nathan Martinez, of New Britain, CT #CESHolidayBash
This is a prizefight. These two came to the center of the ring and got right to work. By round’s end it was Lopez catching Martinez with a right hand jolt that got his attention. He opened up with both hands but the bell sounded.
Martinez corner must have bent his ear after the first because he walked out and scored a knockdown.
Lopez seems to have heavy hands. He’s gotten Martinez’ attention repeatedly but the New Britain native is up 19-18 on my card
Martinez has won the second and 3rd, with the extra point for the knockdown in round he should be up 29-27, imo
Lopez has twice the amount of professional experience Martinez does. He’s been stopped three times but he seems durable and in shape here tonight.
Lopez gave Martinez a couple wrinkles to struggle with in the fifth. He stopped trading and started scoring and moving and Martinez had few answers. He scored heavy in the final seconds but was it enough to steal the round back?
Headbutt in the sixth. Martinez got the worse of it. The doctor is taking a look.
wow, they’re stopping this. Must be a bad cut. we go to the scorecards.
I had this 48-46 in favor of Martinez who got some good experience here tonight, along with what will undoubtedly be a whole mess of stitches.
58-56 was the score from all three judges. But 2 had it for Lopez who, along with his team, is rightfully overjoyed. Martinez never seemed to shift into the higher gear he needed to nullify Lopez’ effort.
Jayron Santiago Lopez improves to 8-8-1 (5) while Nathan Martinez drops to 7-2 (2) #CESHolidayBash

Next up, junior middles, Jalen Renaud of Springfield, MA versus Jurmain McDonald of Jefferson City, MO, 6 rounder
Not a lot of landed shots here by either man. I’d give the edge to McDonald largely because of his activity and he’s scored several hard body shots. Both guys very defensive-minded.
Renaud had a better round three. He’s landing long sweeping left hooks now.
wow, Renaud timed McDonald with what looked like the perfect right hand pull-counter. McDonald went down hard and the ref didn’t bother to count.
Not sure if we’ll make the whole card here. I’ve got a bad power cord and my battery is down to 36%. May have to shift to paper and pen shortly!
Jalen Renaud improves to 7-0 (3) after scoring a 4th round TKO, 1:37, over Jurmain McDonald, who drops to 5-5 (2). #CESHolidayBash

Up now, lightweights, Josh Orta, 132lbs, of Springfield, MA, versus a 132 pound late sub

Orta scores a 1st round TKO. His opponent beat the count but the ref felt he was in no shape to continue. Josh Orta raises his record to 8-0 (4). The official time was 2:24 of the first.

here we go, the Battle of the Shellys! 8 rounds, female feathers,
@shelitosway
of Providence, RI versus Shelly Barnett, of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. #CESHolidayBash

solid first round for
@shelitosway
Pretty clear she’s having fun out there. This is her first bout in over 2 years.

Barnett was able to sting Vincent on her way inside in that second round. Looked like there may have been a butt as well.

Barnett working very hard. She knows this would be a nice name to have on her record.

Some blood flowing from the nose of Barnett, likely from the right jab of
@shelitosway
which she’s been landing regularly.

Vincent able to keep Barnett missing; she comes forward swinging but whiffs at air.
@shelitosway
should be comfortably ahead going into this six round.

Barnett stung Vincent again with a single shot in the final ten seconds of the sixth, otherwise this is all
@shelitosway
. She’s out-working, out-landing & out-slicking her opponent.

Heated action at the end of the seventh.
@shelitosway
slamming Barnett with power-shots to the head and body.

Both Shellys are swinging and landing right up until the final bell. It’s going to be interesting to see if these judges gave Barnett a single round. I didn’t.

All three judges see it 80-72, all in favor of
@shelitosway
, who picks up a Unanimous Decision victory in her first fight since August 17, 2019. She’s now 27-2 (1). Shelly Barnett drops to 5-6-2 #CESHolidayBash

down to 9% battery left… just the main event to go now.
Here we go with the Main Event, Mike Guy, of Sacramento, CA versus Kendrick Ball, of Worcester, MA 10 rounds, super middles
Kendrick Ball dropped from a cuffing right. He rises and Mike Guy is all over him. Ball lasts the round. Guy may have punched himself out. Second coming up…
Ball was able to put some distance between himself and Mike Guy in that second. I didn’t give him the round but it was close. Guy’s leaping left hook is the punch that keeps changing this fight. But Ball’s jab was effective in the 2nd.

Alex Pierpaoli
@FistThingsFirst The laptop battery died so I’ll finish up over here…
Kendrick Ball used his jab and lots of movement to stay out of serious trouble in the 3rd & 4th but I only gave him one of those rounds.
In the fifth now and Guy wings Ball’s head with the left and the right. Ball much more aggressive in the fifth. Ball’s cheek is swelling from all the left hooks Guy has smashed against it.
Kendrick Ball boxed two beautiful minutes in round six, then Mike Guy stole any ground he may have gained right back, landing heavy bolts to the head.
Guy pressing the action now. Ball very tired.
Ninth round coming up and Kendrick Ball is looking pretty diminished.
Ball gets cracked again, he’s sitting in these ropes, leaning back, Guy swinging away. Guy connects repeatedly and the referee steps in to halt the action. TKO for Mike Guy!
Story to follow. Remember: Tip your waitresses and please drive safe! Peace #CESHolidayBash

The official time of the stoppage was 1:26 of Rd 9, the winner is Mike Guy!
That’s all from here, fight-fans!

Vendetti vs. Williams Twitter Recap

By Alex Pierpaoli

Final bout of the night, Stevie Jane Coleman, 149lbs, of Columbia, CT, 0-1 versus Christina Barry, 147lbs, of Manitoba, Canada, 1-7 #CESBoxing #boxing
Stevie Jane Coleman has a lot of fans here to support her!

Bout 6, Carlos Perez, 140lbs, of New Haven, CT, 1-0 versus Tyriek Gainey, 134lbs, of Paterson, NJ, who will be making his pro debut. #CESBoxing #boxing
Both fighters have tired here in the third and there’s a lot more clutching and grappling. Perez looks to be in control going into the 4th and final round.

Main Event time!! @JimmyQSWilliams versus Greg Vendetti, 10 rounds, junior mddles #CESBoxing #WilliamsVendetti #boxing
Good first round from Jimmy Williams. He’s busier, jabbing, pressing. Vendetti scored more than once with a chopping overhand right Williams is going to have to watch out for. 1-0 Williams
Good second round for Williams. Vendetti smothering his own punches a bit by charging in a bit too close to leave himself punching room. 2-0 Williams
Big exchange to start the third. Vendetti is all hooks and Williams all straight shots. Pace slows a bit by middle of the third.
Both fighters scored with big shots in the third but Vendetti landed heavier & kept Williams moving, sometimes boxing, sometimes in retreat. 2-1 Williams
Williams back in control in round number 4. Vendetti landed a leaping left hook in the final minute but not enough to undo the basic boxing Williams did throughout the round.
Round five was close, Vendetti able to close the gap and force Williams to grab to keep away from his chopping lefts. 3-2 Williams
Huge round six for Greg Vendetti, he gets the better of a heated exchange, pelting Williams with lefts and rights along the ropes. Bloodying the nose of Williams. 3-3 even now on my card with Vendetti surging
Round seven was a close one, Judges may be seeing Williams’ movement as retreat rather than strategy. Vendetti certainly a lot more dangerous now in the back half of this fight.
@JimmyQSWilliams seems hesitant to throw that long-range, slashing right uppercut that was landing well for him early. Probably wise as Vendetti is sharper now.
Vendetti physically stronger than Williams but he’s bedeviled by @JimmyQSWilliams’ movement & one-two. He cannot hold any ground. Last round coming up.
@JimmyQSWilliams probably lost that final round by obliging Vendetti when he wants to slug his way through the final 40 seconds. The crowd sure loved it! He said there’d be fireworks! #CESBoxing #boxing
The scorecards are 97-93 for Vendetti, 96-94 for Williams, and an absolutely ludicrous card of 99-91 for the Unanimous Decision winner Greg Vendetti
The 99-91 scorecard in favor of Greg Vendetti is certainly not the most criminally egregious this #boxing addict has ever seen but it’s incredibly bad #shit

Up now, Nathan Martinez, 126lbs, of New Britain, CT, 6-1 (2) versus Francisco Dominguez, 126 1/2 lbs, of Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, 7-11-1 (1) #CESBoxing #boxing #williamsvendetti
Three rounds into Martinez vs. Dominguez and it’s New Britain’s Nathan Martinez in control. Landing heavier in that 3rd round.
Martinez seems able to beat Dominguez to the punch at will. After such a long layoff, his last bout was in Dec of 2019, he may be looking to get these rounds in. Round 5 of 6, now.
Nathan Martinez picks up a lopsided Unanimous Decision victory over Francisco Dominguez #CESBoxing #WilliamsVendetti

Up now, Bout 3, Chordale Booker, 159lbs of Stamford, CT, 16-0 (7) versus Silverio Ortiz, 157lbs, of Yucatan, Mexico, 37-27 (18) #CESBOXING
Stamford, CT’s undefeated middleweight, Chordale Booker has Silverio Ortiz of Yucatan, MX, in retreat here in bout number 3 in Hartford, CT. Early results here
Lots of grappling, crowding, and muscling from Ortiz. Booker having a lot of difficulty landing more than one shot at a time & it’s frustrating him, badly. Ref. Schiavone warns both for rough stuff.
Schiavone has seen enough and takes a point from Ortiz for rabbit-punching in round 3.
Chordale Booker having trouble looking good here and here’s clearly frustrated. Ortiz has lost his last five fights by decision. That’s what he does. He’s not going to go quietly here. Ugly? so what.
Final round here and Silverio Ortiz is used to this. He’s still crowding Booker, cuffing at him with looping shots. Not effective but he’s still on his feet, still fighting.
That’s going to be a win for Chordale Booker, likely a very lopsided UD, but it’s very difficult to look good against an opponent like Ortiz. Booker last fought in November of 2020 so there’s some rust here too
“I know he was going to use veteran tactics…survival tactics,” Booker tells the assembled. Says he wants the winner of tonight’s main event. #CESBoxing #boxing

Bout 2 about to get underway, Hartford, CT’s Angel Gonzalez, 116lbs, of Hartford, CT, 5-0 (3) versus Juan Gabriel Medina, 117lbs of La Ramona, Dominican Republic, 12-7 (11), 6 rounds, #CESBoxing
Medina switching back & forth from orthodox to southpaw on Gonzalez. Has gotten him to back off a bit here in round 3. #WilliamsVendetti #CESBoxing
Gonzalez boxing better in the third, moving in and out on Medina, landing a lot cleaner now. 2-1 Gonzalez after 3, we’re going 6 #CESBoxing
Ref. Johnny Callas halts the action to replace the mouthpiece of Medina
Medina fighting from the orthodox stance now. Both fighters swinging for power now. They clinch, Callas separates them.
Round four was close. Medina looked to touch gloves at the end of the round but Gonzalez refused.
Medina retires on his stool before the fifth. Doctor Michael Schwartz was up on the apron talking with the corner. Unclear as to what caused the stoppage but it’s a TKO win for Angel Gonzalez.
Gonzalez is now 6-0 (4) and Medina falls to 12-8 (11) #CESBoxing

Greg Vendetti beats Jimmy Williams by Split Decision; Results from Hartford, CT

By Alex Pierpaoli

Greg “The Villian” Vendetti defeated Jimmy “Quiet Storm” Williams by 10 round split decision at the Hartford Convention Center tonight. The official judges saw the bout 96-94 and 97-93 a piece, with a lopsided 99-91 from Judge Glenn Feldman* swinging things in favor of the Stoneham, MA, native. Vendetti versus Williams was the Main Event of a seven bout card that heralded the return of professional boxing to Hartford for the first time since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Making the first defense of the WBC US Silver strap he won from Yuri Foreman in June, Jimmy Williams went right to work, circling Vendetti, jabbing at him and reddening his nose in the first round. Vendetti started slower, chopping at Williams with hooking shots from both sides. Williams seemed to control the action until midway through round three when they exchanged shots and Vendetti clearly did more damage. Williams did well when circling and firing out a jab or slashing the pressuring Vendetti with overhand rights and long right uppercuts. In round six, Vendetti came up big with power-shots, especially right hands to the jaw of Williams that seemed to hurt him. Williams got back to boxing in the seventh but Vendetti continued to walk him down, landing the heavier shots more often as the rounds wore on. In the tenth, with just a minute to go, both fighters slugged away, thrilling the prizefighting starved crowd of Hartfordites.

When the decision is announced it’s a puzzling one as two of the officials seemed to score what actually happened while the third, who gave Williams just a single round, was clearly an outlier. Whatever. There’s certainly been worse decisions.

With the victory, Greg Vendetti improved to 23-4-1 (12) and becomes the new WBC USNBC Silver titlist. Jimmy Williams, now 35 years old, dropped to 18-6-2 (6).

Bout 7, Stevie Jane Coleman, 149lbs, of Columbia, CT, battled Christina Barry, 147lbs, of Manitoba, Canada, through 4 in the final bout of the night. Coleman outworked her larger opponent throughout, delighting a large group of fans who stuck around to support her. After four the officials see it 40-36 x 3 all in favor of Stevie Jane Coleman, now 1-1. Christina Barry dropped to 1-8.

Bout 6, Carlos Perez, 140lbs, of New Haven, CT, 1-0 versus Tyriek Gainey, 134lbs, of Paterson, NJ, who will be making his pro debut. All three judges saw the bout the same at 40-36 in favor of Carlos Perez, now 2-0. Gainey backs his way into the pro-ranks, now 0-1.

Bout 4, Nathan Martinez, 126lbs, of New Britain, CT, hammered away at 6-1 (2) Francisco Dominguez, 126 1/2 lbs, of Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, for six rounds but was unable to put him down. Maintaining consistent pressure throughout, Martinez kept Dominguez on the defensive, punishing him with repeated left hooks to the body. Returning to the ring for the first time since December of twenty-nineteen, Martinez put in a grinding effort that thrilled his enthusiastic fans.

When the scorecards were read the decision was unanimous in favor of Martinez, all 3 judges seeing it 60-54. In victory, Martinez raises his record to 7-1 (2) while Dominguez returns to Mexico at 7-12-1 (1).

Bout 3, Chordale Booker, 159lbs of Stamford, CT, 16-0 (7) versus Silverio Ortiz, 157lbs, of Yucatan, Mexico, 37-27 (18). After a sloppy and somewhat tedious start, Ortiz started punching with both hands to Booker’s body in the fifth and both fighters rumbled at close quarters. Booker got the better of the exchanges in the fifth and benefited from a point deduction ffrom Ortiz for rabbit-punching in the fourth. Booker was able to sting Ortiz at the start of the sixth, to the delight of his fans, but by round’s end Ortiz’s survival tactics of clutching and muscling got both fighters a stern warning to knock it off from Ref. Danny Schiavone. In the seventh round Ortiz lands a hard low blow that hurts Booker and he opens up with power shots when the bout continues but the bell sounds. Booker was able to counter the cuffing, mugging attack of Ortiz in the eighth and when the decision is announced it’s all Chordale Booker. All three judges scored it 80-70 for Booker, now 17-0 (7), and Ortiz falls to 37-28 (18). Afterwards, in the in-ring post-fight interview, Booker says he watched video of Ortiz and expected him to try to survive, and he hopes to fight the winner of tonight’s main event.

Bout 2, Angel Gonzalez, 116lbs, of Hartford, CT, battled Juan Gabriel Medina, 117lbs of La Ramona, Dominican Republic, in a scheduled 6 rounder. Gonzalez was the busier fighter in a cautious first round. With a minute gone in the second Medina got Gonzalez’ attention with a right to the jaw. Medina switched back and forth from orthodox to southpaw in the second, giving Gonzalez lots of different angles. Both fighters land bigger shots in the fourth and Medina retires on his stool before the start of round number five.

Angel Gonzalez improves to 6-0 with 4 wins inside the distance and Juan Gabriel Medina falls to 12-8 (11).

Bout 1, Ramon Caraballo, 146lbs, of New Britain, CT, made his pro debut versus Samuel Lajoie-Dery, 146lbs, of Montreal, Canada, 1-0 (1). Caraballo was swarmed with straight punches from Lajoie-Derry in the first and appeared stunned after a hard right hand. In round two both fighters opened up with both hands and the southpaw, Caraballo, scored a knockdown with a right hook. By the end of the second it was Lajoie-Derry landing heavily again with Caraballo on the defensive. In the third, Caraballo roared out of his corner and scored another knockdown. Again, Caraballo seemed to gas-out in the final minute of the round and Lajoie-Derry surged back, keeping an arm-weary Caraballo on the defensive when the bell sounded. The fourth and final round was non-stop punching with the edge to Lajoie-Derry.

When the scorecards are read the unanimous decision went to Ramon Caraballo, by scores of 38-36 x 2 and 38-37. Caraballo enters the ranks as a prizefighter, now 1-0 while Lajoie-Derry, despite an incredible amount of punches thrown, drops to 1-1 (1).

*Note: an earlier version of this story misidentified the judge who scored the fight 99-91 in favor of Vendetti as Ken Ezzo. That was incorrect. Glenn Feldman scored it 99-91. Apologies to Ken Ezzo.